WF: The concept of global diversification in client portfolios is very much in the news now given the currency volatility seen in recent months. Is this a short-term tactical opportunity given where the currency is or is there a larger and longer term strategic opportunity in terms of casting portfolios which are globally diversified? Dhruv: My view is that it is more of a strategic decision. Looking at the longer-term requirements of a portfolio, global diversification makes lot of sense to diversify risk as well as create diverse return streams. Just like we diversify between debt and equity because of different returns and different volatilities at different points of times, similarly global assets between geographies and diversification across countries also achieves the objective of keeping assets which have a different return profile and different volatility. The other part is that investment opportunities are generally not restricted to a particular geography. An investor would like to put his money where the best opportunities are present. Generally investors restrict to a place where there is a home bias because you know the country, you know the companies and therefore investment gets restricted because of a home bias and also by country regulations. In recent years, regulations have been relaxed to allow Indians to invest overseas. There are also now more opportunities available in the Indian market to invest outside of India. Another longer-term perspective is that while we know there is a lot of short-term volatility on account of currency and if we see over the last 50 years, generally we have a depreciating currency and it has depreciated about 5% to 7% on an average. So an Indian investor having all his money in a rupee asset is also a risk as your currency is depreciating. Based on all this, it makes sense for clients to diversify liberally. WF: How have your clients reacted to you when you told them about the merits of global diversification? What were some of the apprehensions or objections from their part and how did you give them comfort about this idea? Dhruv: The first time we started discussing these options with clients was in the year 2007 and when we started it, it was more from the perspective of diversifying your assets. In 2007 we thought that Indian markets were getting overheated and pitched diversification. Some clients who shared our anxiety about Indian equity markets getting overheated did buy into the theme, but not too many. However the experience in the initial phase was not good in the sense that in the 2008 melt down, everything came down across geographies and across asset classes. Diversification did not work in 2008 as a risk mitigating tool. After that it became more difficult from the year 2009 to explain the reason for diversification. We again started putting efforts somewhere in 2011. It is not only from the perspective of just diversifying risk, but in 2011 the US markets were really undervalued. For the first time in 30-40 years, the dividend yields were higher than the bond yields in the US markets. The US market appeared to be a very attractive investment destination and that is when we again started pitching international investing, specifically in US equity markets. Initially there was resistance because many clients believed that when markets go up, all go up together and when they come down, all come down together. There was some skepticism on the merits of global diversification. However, as we discussed the specific merits of the US markets, clients started seeing some sense in the view that US had bottomed out and could start turning around. We were able to get clients to invest in US equity funds in 2011 and the early part of 2012. These clients are obviously very happy with the returns they have seen over the last 12-18 months. But, right through, we have always stressed that US equities should be considered as an asset class that can potentially deliver 8% - 9% dollar returns on a CAGR basis over the next several years, primarily on the strength of the US markets. We did not pitch US equities primarily as a hedge against Indian currency risk. Our view is that US now appears to be coming out of a decade long sideways market - from 2000 to 2011, the US market basically traded sideways in a large band. Since 2011, the stage appears set for a bull market that can potentially last several years. The primary factor in this case is an attractive investment opportunity in US equities. The secondary factor is a hedge against Indian currency risk. WF: Do you see any trends in terms of profiles of customers who are more receptive to this theme? What kind of allocations do clients typically make towards global assets in their portfolios? Dhruv: It varies drastically from as low as 1% to as high as 20%. When it is in the higher range, it is because equity forms a large component of the overall portfolio and the view on US equities is more bullish than many other equity markets right now. High weightages in some cases is also due to a view on the currency aspect. The fact is that clients have been more willing to invest in US equities over the last 6 months, ever since the macro numbers showed signs of deterioration and the currency became weak. One set of clients who seem particularly keen on global diversification are businessmen whose base business tends to be negatively impacted by rupee diversification. Such investors see global diversification of their financial portfolios as a good hedge for their overall assets. I think advisors will do well to study the business profiles of their own clients and see which of their clients gets adversely impacted by currency depreciation. These clients should be more receptive to diversifying their financial portfolios globally. WF: In terms of investment options, do you normally suggest the feeder funds from domestic mutual funds or do you actively look at the 200K option which is now reduced to 75K USD per annum? Dhruv: Initially we were looking at the 200k option. Over the last 2-3 years, we were trying to focus more on the US markets but then because of the number of feeder funds that have come in, we looked at those and found them a much better and easier option in terms of transactions. Most of the money has gone to the feeder funds. WF: What other themes do you think have potential for global diversification apart from US markets theme? Dhruv: US markets continue to be a strong bet, in our view. Apart from that, Europe is now beginning to look interesting and if there is a recovery in the next one or two years, valuation is in your favor. On the contrarian side, I would say some amount of allocation either to the ASEAN geography or a China fund will also be good as I think China valuations are at 2008 levels. There is some bad news of a China slow down but I would say that you could go a little contrarian stance and have a smaller exposure.
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